One Brian takes another Brian’s junk.
usually deals like that don’t happen until Draft day — pity party draft picks and what not…
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One Brian takes another Brian’s junk.
usually deals like that don’t happen until Draft day — pity party draft picks and what not…
This is stupid.
So stupid, in fact, I compare it to the old joke about a little boy who goes to school with a five dollar bill. He brags to his friend he has one five dollar bill and is offered three one dollar bills in trade. “Three is more than one!” the friend tells the first boy.
And the kid makes the trade. And throughout the day he keeps trading down like that for more of less.
In the frustrating days of the late 1990’s and early Double-Oh’s – you saw just this happen in trades. Something great traded for more of less. For a team rebuilding, it sort of made sense. While there were hits, there were more misses and that was why fans were not endeared to Rick Dudley…
But when the dominoes started to fall on the more-of-less in this situation, we started with a top pair defensiveman (Dan Boyle), traded him for a young up and coming D-man and a first rounder (Matt Carle), then traded Carle for Eminger and trash-considerations in Steve Downie…
And now we get Noah Welch and a 3rd rounder for Eminger…? You’ve traded Dan Boyle for Welch and a 3rd rounder (after dealing away the draft pick already for a sub-par D-man)??
This is insane.
And I apologize profusely to Noah Welch. I apologize for coming down on him indirectly like this when I have never seen him play and don’t know his future. I apologize to him because this post comes off like a judgment about his abilities when in fact, it’s a judgment of the braintrust (I use that term as loosely as possible) of the Tampa Bay Lightning.
And then again, he just became a piece of one of the most jumbled puzzles of transactions in NHL history. That’s not his fault. That’s the fault of the upper brass who don’t seem to want the fans to understand what they are doing. I’m not talking cliché “happy to have him on the roster and he has great abilities” talk. I’m talking big-picture direction of the franchise talk… What’s-the-plan-going-forward talk. Talk that’s been missing while each and every roster move causes more anxiety, and every lingering rumor seems akin to a bad dream.
Recchi and a 2nd round draft pick next year were sent to Boston (and playoff contention) in return for defenceman Matt Lashoff and forward Martins Karsums.
Zen inspired question of the inane variety:
If a former Stanley Cup winner falls through waivers, does he have trade value?
Gary Roberts cleared waivers… meaning no one wanted to pick him up for a waiver fee.
So unless he’s lumped in as a add on to a trade, I don’t see him moving to a contending team. But with so many hours left until the deadline, I sure could be wrong.
“We’re tight with our guys. We’re not looking to give them away. If people are going to make meaningful offers to move this organization forward, we will act. But we won’t act for the sake of acting. We’re going to make deals if they make sense for the organization.”
–Brian Lawton, General Manager.
With the track record of OK (not really) Hockey, I can’t say I believe Mr. Lawton one iota. Especially after reading that he plans on being at the office at 6 A.M tomorrow morning.
Deals will be done, trades will be made, and the only place they make sense will be on paper. Or, the wise moves will be the small ones that don’t seem to have significance until later on when a young player grows into his role… The Lightning under Koules/Barrie/Lawton have a habit of going with the former: great on paper, lousy on ice. The latter would require a long term blue print that does not sacrifice the nucleus of the roster.
Rumors have swirled for days that Gary Roberts was a target at the trade deadline.
Please, Brian Lawton and OK (not Really) Hockey, tell us WHY he was placed on waivers today? Couldn’t get anything for him? Or just quit trying?
Sports columnist Gary Shelton at the St. Petersburg Times says in eloquence the point worth remembering (for Lightning fans) with the Lecavalier tradewind/storm that has swept up:
It is as simple as this. Fans trust Vinny Lecavalier a great deal, and they don’t trust the new ownership at all.
Around here, Lecavalier is not only the face of a franchise, he is the faith. In the chaos of a season, he is the reason to keep watching.
He is the reason to think things might eventually get good again.
That, in essence, is the point in fan outcry against this supposed trade talk. It’s not a foreign subject for Lightning fans to see high quality players sent packing during down years in order to try to improve the roster. Yet in those down years, it was usually a marginal fan favorite sent away for a long term investment (or a short sighted solution) in return.
And OK Hockey has been all about the short-sighted solution sus-far, or so it seems. Lets secure Dan Boyle… Wouldn’t it be cooler if we traded him though? Lets bring in Barry Melrose and jazz up management and… oh, wait, he hasn’t coached in a decade and look at the monstrosity of incapability he is displaying…
A Lecavalier trade, to me, would be comparable to sending Mario Lemieux packing from the Pittsburgh Penguins instead of Jaromir Jagr in the July 2001 trade… The face of the franchise, the figurehead… hell, the team owner for Christ sake. Mario had saved the franchise when he was drafted. He won Stanley Cups with the Pens, he literally saved hockey in Pittsburgh again by purchasing the Pens…
Some would say Lecavalier joining the Lightning (along with so many other cogs that have come and gone since 2004) accomplished the same in Tampa Bay. A perennial loser became a contender on his watch, and a champion on his watch. A derelict franchise was rebuilt and renewed with thanks to the hope and faith that Vincent brings to roster day in and day out.
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For the last ten seasons, there has been a constant dogging Tampa Bay Lightning hockey. Through the tortured days of the late 1990’s through a Stanley Cup championship and back again to the dregs of mediocrity, one chorus has sung itself silly every season. Every season with or without basis.
Vincent Lecavalier to Montreal.
There was the disrespect factor to begin, as Vinny entered the NHL in a non traditional market. Tampa Bay was the joke of the league and of course, fans from Canada treated the Lightning as the joke they were while making up all sorts of preposterous trade scenarios for Vincent’s services.
As the lean years of Lightning hockey pressed on, some of those rumors weren’t based off desire to mock Tampa as so much save Vincent from the lowest of low rungs of the NHL. “He deserves better than that” were the sympathies being sent to the player (but of course, not the hockey fans suffering in Tampa Bay. After all, it’s a non traditional market. Who could care?).
Even with the Lightning on the up and up in 2002-2004, ventures to Canada in December resulted in the same rumors year after year: Lecavalier wants out, Lecavalier’s not happy.
That’s why I don’t get too concerned about Vincent-Lecavalier-to-Montreal rumors that have sprung up today. Vinny-for-Garbage-because-he’s-our-favorite-francophone; the cliché offerings of mediocrity that are supposed to seem all worldly.
Oh, don’t get me wrong — I am concerned about Vincent Lecavalier trade rumors in general right now as I lack faith in OK Hockey to make moves that make sense. Keeping the core intact and building around them imperative. But as I noted earlier today in a post, volatility has ruled the first half of the Lightning season.
And I’ll say this as bluntly and openly as I can and hope to high hell someone with management and ownership actually reads this blog: If you guys seriously want to fuck up your investment in this franchise, trade Lecavalier. If you’re more concerned about how happy you are with the club’s makeup than how well you’re drawing at the arena — by all means, trade him for shit being rumored and continue on your directionless trek through the NHL.
It never fails that the Vinny-to-Montreal rumors surface… But the dealings of OK Hockey make me weary that something may happen that ruins the fragile stability that currently resides with this team. And the only thing worse than this would be to wreak havok on the stability of the Tampa Bay Lightning franchise in general by making a move with Vincent.
Who’s responsible for THIS one? Jussi Jokinen on waivers? I want to know whose call. Lawton? Barrie? Tocchet?
Kari Ramo was also sent back to Norfolk which is not surprising as he was an emergency call up. But I want to be enlightened — who, what and why?
Yes, Jokinen is not scoring goals… but there is a bigger story here and it’s a story that has been playing out all season, and keeping the roster in constant upheaval.
With 11 games until the season midway point, the main news out of Tampa this week was… training camp. Yes, training camp… Coach Rick Tocchet ran the nag that has been the Lightning roster (under performing, non-cohesive and soft) until they dropped.
Quite a difference to what Ryan Malone experienced back in September under Barry Melrose:
“I wasn’t sure how different camps went. We scrimmaged a couple times and then we left, really,” he said of the fall. “It wasn’t much structure and all the other stuff you’re supposed to be learning.”
It would seem Rick is trying to get his house in order and that’s all fine and good. In fact my above remark about “riding that nag…until it dropped” is misquoting and mischaracterizing — this wasn’t a mid-season Camp Torturella — but he still ran the team and ran them hard which is a stark contrast to the laissez faire approach of September’s camp and European Vacation under the Mullet.
Rick also met with Vinny Lecavalier after Tuesday’s practice to talk about the team, leadership and on-ice play. And Vinny’s on board with everything.
The question is, what type of results will we see from this tonight versus the Avs? A more alert team? Or one that is tuckered out from being overworked during their time off the last few days?
Quick sidenotes:
I am not exactly crying over the news Steve Downie was sent down to Norfolk.
Apologies to the Admirals. You deserve better.
(Editors note: The following was written by Jes Gölbez, previously of Hockey Rants and posted here with his permission)
Radim Vrbata’s tenure with the Tampa Bay Lightning, less than half a season into his 3-year, $9 million contract, has come to a quiet end as the slick Czech winger is going back home to play in the Czech Republic for the remainder of the season.
That was quick!
Coming off of a career high 56-point season, Vrbata was in that class of second-tier free agents that would be a good pick up for most teams.
The problem? The Tampa Bay Lightning wasn’t one of them, and it was never a good fit from the start.
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I’ll let Cassie over at Bolts Blog summarize this one up to a T:
Oh, look. Another trade. I was thinking that it was about time for that again. And they’re trading away another defenseman for yet another forward. Yep, that’s pretty much par for the course with this team so far this season.
Looks like that coaching change really didn’t change much of anything, huh?
In management’s defense (no pun intended), former GM Jay Feaster horded defensivemen in the system and did little but shuffle them around (sometimes, not shuffling at all) through the system without committing to any of them. Hutchinson was a byproduct of that — a byproduct with a huge plus rating. This deal amounts to hoping to add marginal offense by way of sacrificing defensive depth.
While St. Petersburg Times sports columnist Gary Shelton summarizes ownership as the quick-draw-running-joke of the NHL, another punchline has come into play.
The Bolts have been one of several teams courtin’ and chasing Mats Sundin. The following blockquote characterizes why, in most part, it’s a joke that the team is one of ten with interest in Mats.
It would not be simple for Tampa Bay to make such a move. The team already has 14 forwards and it expects center Jeff Halpern (knee) to be ready by mid to late December. That means it would have to clear out roster and salary space.
Sundin is expected to sign for about $7-million, pro-rated to the remainder of the season. If he signs on Dec. 12, that’s 60 days, one-third, into the season, so his contract would be for two-thirds of for whatever he signs.
The Lightning salary cap number is about $52-million. The limit is $56.7-million.
Finally, Sundin, who is good friends with Tampa Bay wing Gary Roberts, wants to play for a Stanley Cup. Where Tampa Bay stands in terms of pl
I’m not doubting Sundin’s ability. As a rent-a-player, however, and as another cog in a team that has no cohesion? Another big name with big expectations? It’s time, energy, and a financial commitment that management would best be spending elsewhere.
The Tampa Bay Lightning have fired head coach Barry Melrose; Associate Coach Rick Tocchet has been elevated to interim head coach.
Is there anyone, anyone at all, at OK Hockey interested in stability? Cohesion? I can understand a sense of urgency, but when urgency and immediate dividends are all that’s looked upon with a sports franchise… well, it becomes just a fantasy-sports-franchise, playing in reality.
Dan Boyle? Given a big contract and long term commitment last spring. Traded for Carle and more last summer…
Carle? Trade for spare parts.
Tortorella? Fired in favor of Melrose and his old school style (and mullet).
Melrose? Fired two months into his return to NHL coaching. 2 months that were preceded by a short and volatile training camp that took place on two continents and in an extremely short duration.
People have joked about the idea of Melrose being the new head coach when the rumors started swirling last spring. So maybe this should be looked at as the correction of a mistake. But honestly, it looks more like a continuing guessing game at Times Palace… Where no one is sure of the next move; what it should be and what it should bring
Gentlemen… How can I put this simply without offending the majority of my readers? How can I put this lightly? How can I phrase this in such a way that it gets through that I am concerned (as are many other long time Lightning fans)?
Ah, I’ll censor myself in asking the following:
For the second time this season I’ve seen a promising young defensiveman sent wayward for marginal players in return. That’s not even beginning to address the anarchy of the off season where every player on the market was a target and every player on the Lightning roster was expendable.
This time it was Steve Downie brought in??! What qualities does he bring to the team? What exactly are you looking for on players? Scumbaggery?
Hell, while you’re at it, I bet the Calgary Flames would let Todd Bertuzzi go for the low-low price of Martin St. Louis. You can’t beat a deal like that, right…?!
That’s how you seem to be operating right now. And I hate to tell you this but most of the teams put together in a fantasy hockey have crashed and burned. And in this case, you’re crashing the long term financial payroll of an NHL franchise while you are at it. Oh, you may have the money to spend but there are rules in place that limit the amount you can spend.
Shane O’Brien is history, along with Michel Oullett. While Michel never worked out, I had and continue to have high hopes for Shane. The system here in TB has changed — and it remains to be seen if for the better – and his return to the western conference may pay off big dividends for the Canucks.
Pretty soon, last years roster will be completely turned over — let alone any remaining bright spots from the previous administration.
I don’t know how far and wide this has carried since I saw it first mentioned in a St. Petersburg Tiems article last week, but Vincent Lecavalier wants to stay in Tampa. That isn’t news (though our friends in the province of Quebec would tell us otherwise)
What is news is Kent Hughes telling the world it’s not a short term deal. It’s a long one. To paraphrase: rest of his career.
And nwo Erik Erlendsson at the Tribune gets a money quote from Vincent:
Despite a pending change in ownership and a certain change in head coaches, Lecavalier said he intends to discuss signing a long-term deal that could keep him with Tampa Bay his entire career.
“I want to. I just think they want to wait to be officially in charge before we talk about it,” Lecavalier said Tuesday. “I’m looking forward to the new owners. They have a passion for the game. Oren Koules and Len Barrie have played the game. I’m encouraged about the new owners, and I’m excited about things.”
There’s no time line. There’s only the talk…
And right now I am still wondering what to make of the direction of the Lightning, as they transition to OK hockey from Palace Sports.

He’s gone. It can’t be so… But it is?
The last few months I have not been comfortable with the direction of the Lightning. Seeing Brad Richards go was painful – though I am told it was a done deal for a while. Now this.
John Tortorella may have lost the players at one point or another but I believed in his style and how he handled things. Though there was resentment and bitterness at times between the players adn their coach — he wasn’t paid to be Mr. Popular, he was paid to get results. And for a long time he was doign just that.
The rumors have Barry Melrose taking over here in Tampa… Which I took for a joke the first time the rumor surfaced months ago. I still find it a joke, and Oren Koules will not be investing wisely in his purchase if he has already settled on this choice.
As for John, I wish him only the best as he has brought only the best out of the players here in Tampa. His name being engraved on Lord Stanley’s Cup is proof of that. And I don’t think it will be the last time it occurs either.
That last poll? About the #1 draft pick? It’s irrelevant. Brant James article in the St. Petersburg Times this morning shows why. Steve Stamkos will indeed be the top pick for the Lightning.
Why so sure? Because when a sports franchise employs a Hollywood marketing blitz comparable to what has been used the last year for The Dark Knight (in theaters later this summer) hyping a prospect, you know they are big on them.
(hats off to the guys who thought up the flash mob viral marketing, if it was Koules people or an ad agency somewhere in the Bay area)
I gave no coverage to the Lightning winning the Draft Lottery… But I will ask you for your thoughts on what the Lightning should do with the pick.
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And While we’re at it — and local media lacks any coverage of this stuff — head on over to MyNHLDraft and view some fo the mock drafts and other draft and prospect information.
See a negative? Follow it with a positive… I can’t confirm this but Dan Boyle inked a six year deal with the Tampa Bay Lightning.
Forty Million Dollars over six years almost guarantees Brad Richards will be heading out of town tomorrow.
Which really upsets me.
Boltsmag is four years old at this point late int eh month of February and I’ve made no secret of the fact Brad is my favorite player. That being said, I also know he has grown unpopular with the Lightning regulars due to lower production numbers than Vinny and Marty. it doesn’t justify his cost. He has the potential to be a top line center and hasn’t gotten that opportunity due to Vincent being in the lineup… But taht contract of his will limit those who can show interest in him.
Vaclav “Vinny” Prospal’s second tenure in Tampa Bay is over. He has been dealt to the Flyers for Alexandre Picard. and a draft selection.
Prospal has paved hsi way out of town by performing well in a contract year as well as fueding with Lightning head coach John Tortorella. Of course, Jay Feaster lays a goose egg of sorts in this deal — more defense, Jay?
many fans are worryign this sis the begining of the end for the Lightning… Jay Feaster will not be a popular man in tampa tomorrow afternoon if the rumors remain consistent that Brad Richards will be leaving as well as Dan Boyle.
Got a busy day with various stuff on my palette… The news came out yesterday that Marc Denis went on waivers… He’s likely Norfolk bound…
All that being said, who decided to schedule this game versus the Flyers at one in the afternoon?!
I wrote off bringing in Jassen Cullimore in pre-season. Maybe that was a mistake. Or maybe circumstances would make it look like it was?
Jassen’s not putting up big numbers for the Panthers — that’s no shock — but he’s stable. Though he’s only played in 21 games this season, he’s averaging 14:38 of ice time and is a solid plus 7 at this juncture. If Cullimore was back on the Bolts, however, the situation he would be playing in would be different from where he is now…
Here’s the Lightning defense numbers for you to look at:
| Name | Plus/Minus | Average Ice Time |
| Filip Kuba | +6 | 25:10 |
| Paul Ranger | -2 | 25:31 |
| Shane O’Brien | -3 | 22:06 |
| Brad Lukowich | -16 | 17:47 |
| Mike Lundin | Even | 15:07 |
| Doug Janik | -5 | 10:45 |
Look at Brad Lukowich’s numbers. He was supposed to be 3rd pair this season (with Boyle, Ranger, Kuba and O’Brien playing in front of him). With Dan Boyle’s injury, Brad’s been asked to do much more and he’s averaging almost 18 minutes of ice time… And weighing down the D with a minus 16. I’m not putting blame on Brad as so much pointing at the numbers.
If Cullimore were here, it’d likely be the same case — more games, more ice time, more asked of him and lower numbers.
However, those numbers would likely be better than Doug Janik’s. The other drag on the defense in his non versatility on ice, Janik’s TOI average of 11 minutes or so puts more pressure on the kids (2nd year player Shane O’Brien and rookie Mike Lundin) to cover. Of course, others have had the opportunity to step in and beat Doug for a roster spot — but that didn’t happen. So Doug is playing where and as he should — as a #6 defensiveman… All while I was expecting the rookies (be it Lundin, Smaby or others) to serve the role and be brought along slowly.
Dan Boyle’s return can’t come soon enough… But then again, getting the ownership situation squared away couldn’t come soon enough either — having a de-facto roster freeze doesn’t help remedy the ills of the franchise.